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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1405481054">Jennifer Hudson</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.fredmckinnon.com/myblog/2008/12/09/christmas-carols-to-sing-or-not-to-sing/comment-page-1/#comment-56032</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1405481054">Jennifer Hudson</fb:name></dc:creator>
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		<description>Christmas Carols... they seem to get a bad rap these days.  Yes, it is very easy to simply gloss over them from rote memory (and many of us do just that) but if you take the time to truly read the words, many of them are very worshipful.

I struggle with leading them more from the aspect that people just go through the motions with these songs - not that they aren&#039;t worshipful in their own right.  However, I also agree that there is something comforting and needed that they bring to our congregations - and to those that visit just at Christmas time.

Our church doesn&#039;t follow many traditions - like most contemporary churches, it seems - but Christmas is one that we try to keep mostly intact.  We have an advent service (the Sunday night before Christmas) and the kids do something during that service as well.  We start mixing in carols the first Sunday in December - 1 or 2 a week.  

We have found that by mixing the carols in with &quot;regular&quot; worship songs and speaking out some of the lyrics before singing them, people tend to pay a little bit more attention to what is being taught through the songs.  It helps, but I still feel that there is a large disconnect once the song starts with a lot of people.  It&#039;s almost too comfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christmas Carols&#8230; they seem to get a bad rap these days.  Yes, it is very easy to simply gloss over them from rote memory (and many of us do just that) but if you take the time to truly read the words, many of them are very worshipful.</p>
<p>I struggle with leading them more from the aspect that people just go through the motions with these songs &#8211; not that they aren&#8217;t worshipful in their own right.  However, I also agree that there is something comforting and needed that they bring to our congregations &#8211; and to those that visit just at Christmas time.</p>
<p>Our church doesn&#8217;t follow many traditions &#8211; like most contemporary churches, it seems &#8211; but Christmas is one that we try to keep mostly intact.  We have an advent service (the Sunday night before Christmas) and the kids do something during that service as well.  We start mixing in carols the first Sunday in December &#8211; 1 or 2 a week.  </p>
<p>We have found that by mixing the carols in with &#8220;regular&#8221; worship songs and speaking out some of the lyrics before singing them, people tend to pay a little bit more attention to what is being taught through the songs.  It helps, but I still feel that there is a large disconnect once the song starts with a lot of people.  It&#8217;s almost too comfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Bernard - YES.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Louise Knights last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://lady-to-the-knight.blogspot.com/2008/12/leading-ladies.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;leading ladies&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bernard &#8211; YES.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Louise Knights last blog post..<a href="http://lady-to-the-knight.blogspot.com/2008/12/leading-ladies.html" rel="nofollow">leading ladies</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: jordan fowler</title>
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		<dc:creator>jordan fowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question for the readers. I find a bit of vitriolic attitude toward Christmas music by many modern worship leaders. That concerns me as the Incarnation is the apex of God’s revelation of Himself to us. And since worship both glorifies God and shapes our thinking on Him, shouldn’t we want to declare with passion lines like…

    No more let sins and sorrows grow,
    Nor thorns infest the ground;
    He comes to make His blessings flow
    Far as the curse is found,
    Far as the curse is found,
    Far as, far as, the curse is found.

    or

    O holy night! The stars are brightly shining,
    It is the night of the dear Saviour’s birth.
    Long lay the world in sin and error pining.
    Till He appeared and the Spirit felt its worth.
    A thrill of hope the weary world rejoices,
    For yonder breaks a new and glorious morn.
    Fall on your knees! Oh, hear the angel voices!
    O night divine, the night when Christ was born;
    O night, O holy night, O night divine!
    O night, O holy night, O night divine! 

As far as them being story songs, is not our faith, as compared to almost every other, a historical faith thus it contains a story that should be preached AND sung. In this day of doing so many “how-to” sermons, should we at least not do “story” one time per year in our musical worship? Otherwise, people do not gain the redemptive history narrative of God’s activity through Christ. At the least, it diminishes their understanding that the activity of God in Christ is central to our faith. Jesus was not just a guru with some great help tips (save your marriage, be successful, get a blessed bank account). For crying out loud folks, it is the INCARNATION. Let’s sing of it and not relegate Carols to Christmas Eve only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question for the readers. I find a bit of vitriolic attitude toward Christmas music by many modern worship leaders. That concerns me as the Incarnation is the apex of God’s revelation of Himself to us. And since worship both glorifies God and shapes our thinking on Him, shouldn’t we want to declare with passion lines like…</p>
<p>    No more let sins and sorrows grow,<br />
    Nor thorns infest the ground;<br />
    He comes to make His blessings flow<br />
    Far as the curse is found,<br />
    Far as the curse is found,<br />
    Far as, far as, the curse is found.</p>
<p>    or</p>
<p>    O holy night! The stars are brightly shining,<br />
    It is the night of the dear Saviour’s birth.<br />
    Long lay the world in sin and error pining.<br />
    Till He appeared and the Spirit felt its worth.<br />
    A thrill of hope the weary world rejoices,<br />
    For yonder breaks a new and glorious morn.<br />
    Fall on your knees! Oh, hear the angel voices!<br />
    O night divine, the night when Christ was born;<br />
    O night, O holy night, O night divine!<br />
    O night, O holy night, O night divine! </p>
<p>As far as them being story songs, is not our faith, as compared to almost every other, a historical faith thus it contains a story that should be preached AND sung. In this day of doing so many “how-to” sermons, should we at least not do “story” one time per year in our musical worship? Otherwise, people do not gain the redemptive history narrative of God’s activity through Christ. At the least, it diminishes their understanding that the activity of God in Christ is central to our faith. Jesus was not just a guru with some great help tips (save your marriage, be successful, get a blessed bank account). For crying out loud folks, it is the INCARNATION. Let’s sing of it and not relegate Carols to Christmas Eve only.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred - Totally relate to your post.  I went thru this a few years ago and wrote about it. I&#039;m with you man: http://babulife.blogs.com/weblog/2005/12/not_a_grinch_i_.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred &#8211; Totally relate to your post.  I went thru this a few years ago and wrote about it. I&#8217;m with you man: <a href="http://babulife.blogs.com/weblog/2005/12/not_a_grinch_i_.html" rel="nofollow">http://babulife.blogs.com/weblog/2005/12/not_a_grinch_i_.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Louise Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.fredmckinnon.com/myblog/2008/12/09/christmas-carols-to-sing-or-not-to-sing/comment-page-1/#comment-47858</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was challenged by parts of this article when thinking about Carols at Christmas. 

http://www.gbod.org/worship/default.asp?act=reader&amp;item_id=3733

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Louise Knights last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://lady-to-the-knight.blogspot.com/2008/12/java-jbay-service-2008-12-07.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Java JBay Service – 2008-12-07&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was challenged by parts of this article when thinking about Carols at Christmas. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gbod.org/worship/default.asp?act=reader&#038;item_id=3733" rel="nofollow">http://www.gbod.org/worship/default.asp?act=reader&#038;item_id=3733</a></p>
<p><abbr><em>Louise Knights last blog post..<a href="http://lady-to-the-knight.blogspot.com/2008/12/java-jbay-service-2008-12-07.html" rel="nofollow">Java JBay Service – 2008-12-07</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.fredmckinnon.com/myblog/2008/12/09/christmas-carols-to-sing-or-not-to-sing/comment-page-1/#comment-47845</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to suggest something that kind of a 180 to what Russ posted.   Here&#039;s another way of looking at it:  When someone comes to visit your church do you want them to see a typical service or an atypical service?   I would want them to get maximum exposure to what it is we do week by week.   

I&#039;d even take this one step further:  When people who work 9 to 5 weekday jobs are finally off over the holidays and decide to check out Christian television, would you want them to see a good representation of what happens regularly on those shows -- some interviews, news clips, testimonies -- or a holiday special?

When someone walks into a Christian bookstore for the first time at Christmas, would it be best for them to see books that speak to their deep felt needs, books on prayer, advice on parenting, classic biographies, etc.; or racks of Christmas books that are packed up and stored the week after?    Great worship music CDs, or displays of Christmas songs?

I think it&#039;s important to be true to what it is we do best, and (pardon the term) showcase that when visitors drop by at special times and seasons; though not to the complete neglect of the season itself.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Paul Wilkinsons last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://paulwilkinson.wordpress.com/2008/12/10/its-religion-week-at-candorville/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It’s Religion Week At Candorville&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to suggest something that kind of a 180 to what Russ posted.   Here&#8217;s another way of looking at it:  When someone comes to visit your church do you want them to see a typical service or an atypical service?   I would want them to get maximum exposure to what it is we do week by week.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;d even take this one step further:  When people who work 9 to 5 weekday jobs are finally off over the holidays and decide to check out Christian television, would you want them to see a good representation of what happens regularly on those shows &#8212; some interviews, news clips, testimonies &#8212; or a holiday special?</p>
<p>When someone walks into a Christian bookstore for the first time at Christmas, would it be best for them to see books that speak to their deep felt needs, books on prayer, advice on parenting, classic biographies, etc.; or racks of Christmas books that are packed up and stored the week after?    Great worship music CDs, or displays of Christmas songs?</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important to be true to what it is we do best, and (pardon the term) showcase that when visitors drop by at special times and seasons; though not to the complete neglect of the season itself.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Paul Wilkinsons last blog post..<a href="http://paulwilkinson.wordpress.com/2008/12/10/its-religion-week-at-candorville/" rel="nofollow">It’s Religion Week At Candorville</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernard,
Not at all man .. I so much appreciate your responses, too!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Freds last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/fredmckinnon/~3/479683683/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Christmas Carols - To Sing or Not to Sing&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernard,<br />
Not at all man .. I so much appreciate your responses, too!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Freds last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/fredmckinnon/~3/479683683/" rel="nofollow">Christmas Carols &#8211; To Sing or Not to Sing</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: theworshipcomm (theworshipcommunity)</title>
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		<dc:creator>theworshipcomm (theworshipcommunity)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RT &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://twitter.com/fmckinnon&quot;&gt;@fmckinnon&lt;/a&gt; Christmas Carols - To sing or not to Sing .. it&#039;s really heating up .. come join the discussion at http://is.gd/aZPb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RT <a rel="nofollow" href="http://twitter.com/fmckinnon">@fmckinnon</a> Christmas Carols &#8211; To sing or not to Sing .. it&#8217;s really heating up .. come join the discussion at <a href="http://is.gd/aZPb" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/aZPb</a></p>
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		<title>By: fmckinnon (fmckinnon)</title>
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		<dc:creator>fmckinnon (fmckinnon)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Everybody - Christmas Carols - To sing or not to Sing .. it&#039;s really heating up .. come join the discussion at http://is.gd/aZPb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Everybody &#8211; Christmas Carols &#8211; To sing or not to Sing .. it&#8217;s really heating up .. come join the discussion at <a href="http://is.gd/aZPb" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/aZPb</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason Durham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Durham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lead worship for our youth ministry, and I &quot;religiously&quot; (ha! had to throw that word in here somewhere! LOL!) use the chorus of &quot;O Come Let Us Adore Him&quot;. But I also mix the melody with the phrase, We&#039;ll Give Him all the Glory. I agree as said above, that Christ&#039;s birth is a foundational event in all of Christianity and without it, there would be no need to worship. In prepping music for our worship service tonight, I integrated worship songs with traditional Christmas hymns, albeit I did change some of the chord structure and melody to O Come Emmanuel, and I have decided that I am also going to start using O Come Emmanuel throughout the year because the line - And ransom captive Israel - is so powerful. The purpose of His birth, His life, His death to to ransom us from the virus of sin. Wow, what a simple way for the students to acknowledge our necessity of Him, the acknowledgment of who we aren&#039;t and Who He is! Hymns in general are such a foundational part of the church, and I am gladdened when I hear them in worship, and saddened when I hear people say they are no longer relevant. I am sure Fanny Crosby and Wesley would disagree. I tend to side with them when it comes to relevancy! Blessings! Jason.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jason Durhams last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jasonmdurham.com/?p=95&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;YES, NO, WAIT A WHILE!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lead worship for our youth ministry, and I &#8220;religiously&#8221; (ha! had to throw that word in here somewhere! LOL!) use the chorus of &#8220;O Come Let Us Adore Him&#8221;. But I also mix the melody with the phrase, We&#8217;ll Give Him all the Glory. I agree as said above, that Christ&#8217;s birth is a foundational event in all of Christianity and without it, there would be no need to worship. In prepping music for our worship service tonight, I integrated worship songs with traditional Christmas hymns, albeit I did change some of the chord structure and melody to O Come Emmanuel, and I have decided that I am also going to start using O Come Emmanuel throughout the year because the line &#8211; And ransom captive Israel &#8211; is so powerful. The purpose of His birth, His life, His death to to ransom us from the virus of sin. Wow, what a simple way for the students to acknowledge our necessity of Him, the acknowledgment of who we aren&#8217;t and Who He is! Hymns in general are such a foundational part of the church, and I am gladdened when I hear them in worship, and saddened when I hear people say they are no longer relevant. I am sure Fanny Crosby and Wesley would disagree. I tend to side with them when it comes to relevancy! Blessings! Jason.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Jason Durhams last blog post..<a href="http://www.jasonmdurham.com/?p=95" rel="nofollow">YES, NO, WAIT A WHILE!</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Bernard Shuford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard Shuford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred - my words were intended as brother-to-brother iron on iron; I sincerely hope I didn&#039;t &quot;attack&quot;.  I genuinely appreciate you, man, and your honesty is always welcome to me.  No &quot;holier than thou&quot; pedestalism from me, man - it was as much of a challenge to me as to you.  Writing my post was a refresher to me of what it means to me.  I&#039;m definitely not &quot;there&quot; yet.

Drew - Rod Stewart, eek.  :)

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bernard Shufords last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://bernardshuford.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/myspace-is-not-evil/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MySpace is not evil&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred &#8211; my words were intended as brother-to-brother iron on iron; I sincerely hope I didn&#8217;t &#8220;attack&#8221;.  I genuinely appreciate you, man, and your honesty is always welcome to me.  No &#8220;holier than thou&#8221; pedestalism from me, man &#8211; it was as much of a challenge to me as to you.  Writing my post was a refresher to me of what it means to me.  I&#8217;m definitely not &#8220;there&#8221; yet.</p>
<p>Drew &#8211; Rod Stewart, eek.  <img src='http://www.fredmckinnon.com/myblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><abbr><em>Bernard Shufords last blog post..<a href="http://bernardshuford.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/myspace-is-not-evil/" rel="nofollow">MySpace is not evil</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Drew Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Fred - Asking appropriate questions and expressing personal preferences are par for the course.  I was most surprised by Annapolis&#039; claim that it is &quot;unfortunate&quot; to ask a congregation to sing Christmas songs.  

I prefer to never again hear Rod Stewart sing ANY CHristmas song, but my Church secretary has set her will against me.  And that&#039;s ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Fred &#8211; Asking appropriate questions and expressing personal preferences are par for the course.  I was most surprised by Annapolis&#8217; claim that it is &#8220;unfortunate&#8221; to ask a congregation to sing Christmas songs.  </p>
<p>I prefer to never again hear Rod Stewart sing ANY CHristmas song, but my Church secretary has set her will against me.  And that&#8217;s ok.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.fredmckinnon.com/myblog/2008/12/09/christmas-carols-to-sing-or-not-to-sing/comment-page-1/#comment-47838</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>have you guys seen Sojourn Community Church and their &quot;Advent Songs&quot; CD?  Get it on NoiseTrade.com and check out their arrangements.  If a melody and chord progression doesn&#039;t work, why not rewrite the melody completely?  Jamie Barnes singing &quot;Joy to the World&quot; on the first track will pour gasoline on any songwriting spark you have...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have you guys seen Sojourn Community Church and their &#8220;Advent Songs&#8221; CD?  Get it on NoiseTrade.com and check out their arrangements.  If a melody and chord progression doesn&#8217;t work, why not rewrite the melody completely?  Jamie Barnes singing &#8220;Joy to the World&#8221; on the first track will pour gasoline on any songwriting spark you have&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So whether you eat or whether you drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God&quot;  1 Cor 10:31----even singing Christmas carols or worship songs or country gospel or reggae or pop/rock or rap or blues or techno or arena rock or jazz or latino or R &amp; B.  Just trying to not lose perspective on what really matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So whether you eat or whether you drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God&#8221;  1 Cor 10:31&#8212;-even singing Christmas carols or worship songs or country gospel or reggae or pop/rock or rap or blues or techno or arena rock or jazz or latino or R &amp; B.  Just trying to not lose perspective on what really matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred McKinnon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred McKinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernard and Drew (primarily) ...
&lt;enter defensive mode&gt;
I agree - though, for my own sake, I want to clarify - hope you&#039;re not saying I have the &quot;venom&quot; ...

I&#039;m speaking of PERSONAL PREFERENCE here .. .I&#039;m not against the songs, I&#039;m not saying they are beneath me, I&#039;m not saying ANY of that.  What I&#039;m saying is that I tend to PREFER them in a different context, and it&#039;s been hard for me to feel that I&#039;ve had the same &quot;vertical/personal&quot; connection with God in corporate worship when I sing them, as opposed to a worship chorus that would be more popular today.

I also concede that writing this blog (you can see my pathway from not wanting to see them, to defending them in the last paragraph) really helped me to walk out their value, and how important they are.

:-)&lt;/enter&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernard and Drew (primarily) &#8230;<br />
<enter defensive mode><br />
I agree &#8211; though, for my own sake, I want to clarify &#8211; hope you&#8217;re not saying I have the &#8220;venom&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m speaking of PERSONAL PREFERENCE here .. .I&#8217;m not against the songs, I&#8217;m not saying they are beneath me, I&#8217;m not saying ANY of that.  What I&#8217;m saying is that I tend to PREFER them in a different context, and it&#8217;s been hard for me to feel that I&#8217;ve had the same &#8220;vertical/personal&#8221; connection with God in corporate worship when I sing them, as opposed to a worship chorus that would be more popular today.</p>
<p>I also concede that writing this blog (you can see my pathway from not wanting to see them, to defending them in the last paragraph) really helped me to walk out their value, and how important they are.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.fredmckinnon.com/myblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </enter></p>
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		<title>By: Drew Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.fredmckinnon.com/myblog/2008/12/09/christmas-carols-to-sing-or-not-to-sing/comment-page-1/#comment-47835</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brothers,
I am pretty surprised at the venom towards Christmas songs.  Clay mentioned how some view Christmas songs as &quot;beneath them&quot; musically or stylistically.  Surely not.  Many pointed out that there are plenty of Christmas songs that don&#039;t enter the category of &quot;worship&quot; and that is so true.  O Christmas Tree, Deck the Halls, and Santa songs permeate the season but they don&#039;t breach the purpose of the season.  Additionally, several carols were written by Unitarians who don&#039;t hold to the deity of Christ or our need of him.

HOWEVER, how could we not take joy in pointing out the richness hiding in songs many of our folks already know.  I know a lot of musicians are carrying baggage on this one, but I encourage you to step back and look at these songs for their text and singability.  They score very high.  Why would we not take the time to teach the value of Watts and Wesley&#039;s songs?  Take the time to arrange them in a way that serves your congregation, but don&#039;t miss the opportunity to lat songs like &quot;Come, Thou Long Expected Jesus,&quot; O Little Town&quot; (not as purely sentimental as you might think), &quot;Joy to the World,&quot; &quot;Hark, the Herald Angels,&quot; &quot;O Come, All Ye Faithful,&quot; and the original verses of &quot;What Child is This.&quot; 

I have found a lot of joy in helping our folks &quot;discover what they already know&quot; in these songs.  They become walking treatises on Christmas.  The idea of resigning these songs to be sung by others blows my minds.  These are the songs we ought to be singing to one another alongside new songs and fresh arrangements.   Sometimes, a song can be both sentimental and profound.  This is especially true at Christmas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brothers,<br />
I am pretty surprised at the venom towards Christmas songs.  Clay mentioned how some view Christmas songs as &#8220;beneath them&#8221; musically or stylistically.  Surely not.  Many pointed out that there are plenty of Christmas songs that don&#8217;t enter the category of &#8220;worship&#8221; and that is so true.  O Christmas Tree, Deck the Halls, and Santa songs permeate the season but they don&#8217;t breach the purpose of the season.  Additionally, several carols were written by Unitarians who don&#8217;t hold to the deity of Christ or our need of him.</p>
<p>HOWEVER, how could we not take joy in pointing out the richness hiding in songs many of our folks already know.  I know a lot of musicians are carrying baggage on this one, but I encourage you to step back and look at these songs for their text and singability.  They score very high.  Why would we not take the time to teach the value of Watts and Wesley&#8217;s songs?  Take the time to arrange them in a way that serves your congregation, but don&#8217;t miss the opportunity to lat songs like &#8220;Come, Thou Long Expected Jesus,&#8221; O Little Town&#8221; (not as purely sentimental as you might think), &#8220;Joy to the World,&#8221; &#8220;Hark, the Herald Angels,&#8221; &#8220;O Come, All Ye Faithful,&#8221; and the original verses of &#8220;What Child is This.&#8221; </p>
<p>I have found a lot of joy in helping our folks &#8220;discover what they already know&#8221; in these songs.  They become walking treatises on Christmas.  The idea of resigning these songs to be sung by others blows my minds.  These are the songs we ought to be singing to one another alongside new songs and fresh arrangements.   Sometimes, a song can be both sentimental and profound.  This is especially true at Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred F. McKinnon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred F. McKinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernard, 
I love it ... thanks a ton!</description>
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I love it &#8230; thanks a ton!</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard Shuford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard Shuford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christmas songs which are focused on Jesus Christ are the greatest worship songs of all, with the possible exception of Easter songs.  

Refusing to sing Christmas carols in favor of a &quot;worship song&quot; is to totally miss the point.  

Without the birth of Christ, there would BE no worship unless we are Jewish.  

WAY too many Christians, in an effort to be &quot;non-commercial&quot; or &quot;non-Santa Clausie&quot;, have totally abandoned the huge celebration that Christmas is.  THIS IS OUR CELEBRATION!!! Let&#039;s reclaim it.  Let&#039;s celebrate it.  Let&#039;s enjoy it.  Don&#039;t let ANYONE make you ashamed of the birth of your Saviour.  Don&#039;t let anyone tell you that December 25 is not important.  Sure, it&#039;s not the actual day, but it&#039;s the day we CELEBRATE.  Don&#039;t make it just another day.  Allow it to spur you (and every other Christian) to crank it up a notch for Christ.  

We&#039;ve downplayed Christmas enough, folks.  I&#039;m really tired of Christians being anti-Christmas.  I&#039;m not worried about retailers saying &quot;Happy Holidays&quot; instead of &quot;Merry Christmas&quot;; I&#039;m just really fed up with Christians NOT saying &quot;Christ is born!!!&quot;

It&#039;s about Christ.  It&#039;s not about a worship experience.  It&#039;s not even about the music.  It&#039;s about Christ.  

Sing &#039;em.  Sing &#039;em joyfully.  Don&#039;t sing &#039;em because you&#039;re forced.  Sing &#039;em because you love the Saviour that they are about.  Sing &#039;em in worship.  You&#039;ve sung Mighty to Save 10 times this year already (just a guess).  Sing Joy to the World because JOY HAS COME, and His name is Christ.  

Worship the Saviour with songs about Him.  It&#039;s not a token gesture when it&#039;s really done from the heart, and it&#039;s obvious.  If YOU, as the worship leader, are bored with Christmas songs, trust me - the congregation will know that about two seconds in.  

If the birth of the Saviour doesn&#039;t give you a kick in the seat of the worship pants, get on your knees with the Bible and beg God to remind you of the power of the moment when that little baby was born.  To remind you that ALL OF HEAVEN - and quite probably all of hell - was watching as Mary was in labor.  That prophecies of hundreds of years before were fulfilled in such detail that men are still amazed thousands of years later.  To help you remember that GOD HIMSELF entered the womb of a simple woman and became the baby that was born to die.  To be reminded that Jesus Christ did this because He wanted to.  He ASKED to come to earth.  &quot;Father, I&#039;ll go.&quot;  That birth was the moment of truth.  No birth has changed the course of mankind so drastically.  No other birth was for MY redemption.  This is the only birth in history - or in the future - where the baby was completely in charge of everything.  Pray for these truths to eat at your heart.  Pray for them to burn there, because, until it burns there, the Christmas songs will seem to only be a nod to the traditionalists.  But they are so much more.

I challenge you, and anyone else, to wrestle with this until Christmas becomes a moment of worship like no other.  

Fred, you asked for thoughts - these are mine.  God bless ya, bro.  I love your heart for Him.  

Don&#039;t let Satan whip you on this.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bernard Shufords last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://bernardshuford.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/myspace-is-not-evil/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MySpace is not evil&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christmas songs which are focused on Jesus Christ are the greatest worship songs of all, with the possible exception of Easter songs.  </p>
<p>Refusing to sing Christmas carols in favor of a &#8220;worship song&#8221; is to totally miss the point.  </p>
<p>Without the birth of Christ, there would BE no worship unless we are Jewish.  </p>
<p>WAY too many Christians, in an effort to be &#8220;non-commercial&#8221; or &#8220;non-Santa Clausie&#8221;, have totally abandoned the huge celebration that Christmas is.  THIS IS OUR CELEBRATION!!! Let&#8217;s reclaim it.  Let&#8217;s celebrate it.  Let&#8217;s enjoy it.  Don&#8217;t let ANYONE make you ashamed of the birth of your Saviour.  Don&#8217;t let anyone tell you that December 25 is not important.  Sure, it&#8217;s not the actual day, but it&#8217;s the day we CELEBRATE.  Don&#8217;t make it just another day.  Allow it to spur you (and every other Christian) to crank it up a notch for Christ.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve downplayed Christmas enough, folks.  I&#8217;m really tired of Christians being anti-Christmas.  I&#8217;m not worried about retailers saying &#8220;Happy Holidays&#8221; instead of &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221;; I&#8217;m just really fed up with Christians NOT saying &#8220;Christ is born!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about Christ.  It&#8217;s not about a worship experience.  It&#8217;s not even about the music.  It&#8217;s about Christ.  </p>
<p>Sing &#8216;em.  Sing &#8216;em joyfully.  Don&#8217;t sing &#8216;em because you&#8217;re forced.  Sing &#8216;em because you love the Saviour that they are about.  Sing &#8216;em in worship.  You&#8217;ve sung Mighty to Save 10 times this year already (just a guess).  Sing Joy to the World because JOY HAS COME, and His name is Christ.  </p>
<p>Worship the Saviour with songs about Him.  It&#8217;s not a token gesture when it&#8217;s really done from the heart, and it&#8217;s obvious.  If YOU, as the worship leader, are bored with Christmas songs, trust me &#8211; the congregation will know that about two seconds in.  </p>
<p>If the birth of the Saviour doesn&#8217;t give you a kick in the seat of the worship pants, get on your knees with the Bible and beg God to remind you of the power of the moment when that little baby was born.  To remind you that ALL OF HEAVEN &#8211; and quite probably all of hell &#8211; was watching as Mary was in labor.  That prophecies of hundreds of years before were fulfilled in such detail that men are still amazed thousands of years later.  To help you remember that GOD HIMSELF entered the womb of a simple woman and became the baby that was born to die.  To be reminded that Jesus Christ did this because He wanted to.  He ASKED to come to earth.  &#8220;Father, I&#8217;ll go.&#8221;  That birth was the moment of truth.  No birth has changed the course of mankind so drastically.  No other birth was for MY redemption.  This is the only birth in history &#8211; or in the future &#8211; where the baby was completely in charge of everything.  Pray for these truths to eat at your heart.  Pray for them to burn there, because, until it burns there, the Christmas songs will seem to only be a nod to the traditionalists.  But they are so much more.</p>
<p>I challenge you, and anyone else, to wrestle with this until Christmas becomes a moment of worship like no other.  </p>
<p>Fred, you asked for thoughts &#8211; these are mine.  God bless ya, bro.  I love your heart for Him.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let Satan whip you on this.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Bernard Shufords last blog post..<a href="http://bernardshuford.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/myspace-is-not-evil/" rel="nofollow">MySpace is not evil</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Kit Palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kit Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely put, Jon.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kit Palmers last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://kitpalmer.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/its-a-conspiracy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It’s a Conspiracy!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put, Jon.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Kit Palmers last blog post..<a href="http://kitpalmer.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/its-a-conspiracy/" rel="nofollow">It’s a Conspiracy!</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: JonWesley</title>
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		<dc:creator>JonWesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s scary to think that ANY form of worship &quot;has its place.&quot; We&#039;re not talking &quot;Jingle Bells&quot; or Sants Claus Is Coming To Town.&quot; The gospel is ALWAYS relvant in ALL of it&#039;s forms, and Christmas carols like &quot;God Rest Ye...&quot; or &quot;I Heard The Bells...&quot; should be seen more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s scary to think that ANY form of worship &#8220;has its place.&#8221; We&#8217;re not talking &#8220;Jingle Bells&#8221; or Sants Claus Is Coming To Town.&#8221; The gospel is ALWAYS relvant in ALL of it&#8217;s forms, and Christmas carols like &#8220;God Rest Ye&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;I Heard The Bells&#8230;&#8221; should be seen more often.</p>
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		<title>By: The Economy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Algernon Cox’S Homepage » Blog Archive » Robert Ford</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Economy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Algernon Cox’S Homepage » Blog Archive » Robert Ford</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: theworshipcomm (theworshipcommunity)</title>
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		<dc:creator>theworshipcomm (theworshipcommunity)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worshipers - should we sing Christmas Carols in church?  Let&#039;s hear from you at http://tinyurl.com/6bl5bp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worshipers &#8211; should we sing Christmas Carols in church?  Let&#8217;s hear from you at <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6bl5bp" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6bl5bp</a></p>
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		<title>By: theworshipcomm (theworshipcommunity)</title>
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		<dc:creator>theworshipcomm (theworshipcommunity)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worshipers - should we sing Christmas Carols in church?  Let&#039;s hear from you at http://tinyurl.com/6bl5bp</description>
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		<title>By: Annapolis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annapolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christmas carols have their place in church as &quot;The Christmas Concert&quot; usually performed by a group of contemporary worship singers or a chancel choir and orchestra. The carols are fantastic meaningful pieces that should be used appropriately. It is unfortunate when they are used in corporate worship in regular services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christmas carols have their place in church as &#8220;The Christmas Concert&#8221; usually performed by a group of contemporary worship singers or a chancel choir and orchestra. The carols are fantastic meaningful pieces that should be used appropriately. It is unfortunate when they are used in corporate worship in regular services.</p>
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